October 13

Southampton speakers

Julian Lewes MP and other key speakers at the fluoridation meeting at Southampton – see below..

Fluoridation: Southampton pushes for a decision; Dublin  wants rid of fluoride; Israel’s ban challenged. 


October 6 

MP vows to take fluoride row to Government and get a decision on controversial scheme for Hampshire


THE continuing battle over the future of fluoridation in Hampshire will go before Parliament in a bid to force a decision on the controversial scheme once and for all.

At a public meeting in Southampton, county MP Julian Lewis said he would speak on the issue in the House of Commons, and call on Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt to intervene.

As well as Mr Lewis, the meeting heard from county council leader Roy Perry, city council health chief Dave Shields, county councillor David Harrison and South East MEP Keith Taylor, as well as a number of residents and anti-fluoride campaigners.

As revealed in the Daily Echo last week, the fate of the scheme to add chemical to the tap water of 200,000 households in Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Rownhams and Netley, is currently the subject of a complex legal wrangle.

Addressing the meeting, Cllr Perry reiterated that the county council stood by the result of a vote in 2008, in which councillors vowed to reject fluoridation.

He said the fate of the scheme was still in the balance, with county lawyers believing it does not even exist due to a mix-up before the Strategic Health Authority was abolished last year, but added: “The moment Public Health England say they intend to proceed, that is when I call all of the county council lawyers into my office and ask them how we prevent this by law.”

Conservative MP for New Forest East Mr Lewis joined Cllr Perry said in airing his frustration at PHE, saying the body’s actions in trying to force through the scheme against the will of residents was “despicable” accusing them of “scrabbling around” trying to find “legal trickery” to enable them to push ahead with the scheme.

Cllr Shields said Southampton City Council’s current position was one of opposition, although he was personally convinced of the benefits of fluoridation.

Calling for a “more measured debate” on the subject, he said organisations such as the British Medical Organisation and local NHS trusts supported the use of fluoride in tap water.

He told the meeting: “The proposal to put fluoride into the water does not constitute poisoning.

“We need to look at the right scheme which is safe. I haven’t seen anything credible saying there is anything detrimental in putting fluoride in the water.”

Cllr Shields supports city council leader and party colleague Simon Letts, who said the public should decide on whether fluoride was added to water in the city, while fellow Labour city councillor Andrew Pope told the meeting: “It’s the peoples’ water – so the people should decide”, suggesting a “citizens’ jury” of a representative group of residents could be used.

However Green Party MP Mr Taylor called for more “leadership” from the city council about the issue, saying “Now is the time for some definite action”.

Cllr Shields was heckled several times by campaigners who claimed the chemical is a “poison” and could lead to cancer – adding that toxicology tests into the effects of fluoride have never taken place

In full from  Southern Daily Echo http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11515568.Fluoride_row_will_go_to_Parliament/

Oct. 7

The meeting was also reported in the Romsey Echo



Oct. 7

DUBLIN CITY COUNCILLORS passed a motion last night against the addition of fluoride to Ireland’s water supply.

The motion was passed by 22 votes.

It was proposed by Sinn Féin Cllr. Anthony Connaughan. Following the meeting, Cllr Connaughan said that the aim of the motion was to put pressure on the government.

The motion called for fluoride or any derivative to be removed from the Irish water supply, and to make it a crime for anyone to put it into the water supply, said Connaughan.



Oct. 8

Accompanying a  You-tube  video –( that may not  itself be currently  available) was this comment:
This motion was supported by Sinn Fein, Independents and People Before Profit.

FF tried to stop the motion being heard!  FG, FF, Labour All voted against the motion. This means they are saying they want to Keep adding this dangerous neurotoxin to our tap water!

And The Green Party whose leader John Gormley (trying to protect the Irish people) wrote a report that was suppressed by the Government telling the Irish people about the health dangers from drinking the tap water with this drug being added to it, The Green Party, they Abstained from Voting!!!


Fluoride ActionNetwork comments:

The timing of the Dublin vote couldn’t be better as the issue is currently being debated in the House of the Oireachtas (Irish Legislature).  Senator Mary Ann O’Brien made a motion to end fluoridation because of the “fundamental human right of every Irish citizen to choose whether or not they have their water medicated with fluoride given that they are now paying for it.” Senator O’Brien wrote a powerful op-ed for the Irish Independent on October 1st explaining in detail why she was bringing the motion:

Here it is:

As a mother, a senator, a businesswoman, and a citizen, I’m concerned about the quality of our drinking water. In particular the addition of fluoride acid, which is being forced on all of us, whether we want it or not. Now we are being forced to pay for this medicated water.

Did you know there’s enough fluoride in a tube of toothpaste to kill a 12-year-old child? No? Neither did I, until recently. I know what you’re thinking: “If that was true, there would be a poison warning on the tube.”

Well, in America there is. All fluoride toothpastes in the US carry a poison warning, by federal law. It states, “If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing (a pea-sized amount), you should contact a poison control centre immediately.”

Bizarrely, a Department of Health Forum decided not to introduce the same poison warnings here.

The amount of fluoride in the pea-sized quantity – which requires a poison warning in the US – is the same amount of fluoride found in one glass of Irish tap water, which carries no warning.

Today, I am bringing a motion to the Senate that states: “For the fundamental human right of every Irish citizen to choose whether or not they have their water medicated with fluoride, given that they are from today, October 1, paying for it.”

I am not willing to continue to risk my family’s health for one more day to expose them to fluoridated water. I believe every single one of us consumers has the right to non-fluoridated water.

I’m not alone in rejecting water fluoridation. Some of the most advanced countries in the world in healthcare terms have rejected the practice. It is banned in Sweden and The Netherlands. These countries have chosen not to override the human rights of the majority, for the supposed benefit to a few.

In Northern Ireland, 25 out of 26 councils decided against force feeding this chemical to people via its water supply.

This practice amounts to drugging by thirst. The thirstier you are, the more fluoride you receive. Using the water supply to administer drugs to a population is therefore both crude and archaic. And it presents serious problems, especially for our most vulnerable citizens.

Babies drink three to four times more liquids than adults, relative to their size. So they’ll get three to four times fluoride’s toxic effects. And as they can’t excrete fluoride, 90pc of it stays in their body.

We have one of the lowest breast feeding rates in Europe, so this is a major public health concern for Ireland. A higher percentage of babies here will be fed infant formula reconstituted with fluoridated water, than in most other countries.

The problem of fluoridation doesn’t end there. After 50 years of fluoridation, no proper environmental impact studies have ever been done to understand the effects of this mass pollution. Likewise, there have been no health studies done, as prescribed in the 1960s Health Act – the legislation which brought water fluoridation into being.

In March 2006, the US National Academy of Sciences completed the most comprehensive, balanced scientific review ever on the health effects of fluoride in water. Its 500-page report, representing three years’ work by a panel of 12 scientists, acknowledged the following adverse effects – not previously identified – from low levels of fluoride ingestion: thyroid impairment, impaired glucose tolerance (type 2 diabetes), moderate dental fluorosis, bone fractures, moderate skeletal fluorosis (arthritis), lowering of IQ and brain damage – the last is also due to the presence of aluminium.

Shockingly, all of these adverse effects, with possibly the exception of bone fractures and lower IQ, can occur at 1 mg/L – the level used for water fluoridation.

I don’t know if these 12 scientists are correct on all their findings. But what I do know is that we shouldn’t be taking a risk with the whole population.

What tests have the authorities carried out here in Ireland to measure the level of skeletal fluorosis in our citizens?

We should be at the very least looking at rates to measure what potential damage continued consumption of fluoride could be doing to our health.

My job as a senator is to protect the people, not to protect a failed government policy.

It is inarguably a breach of human rights to drug a population against their will, via the water system.

My motion in the Senate is to give back the human right to choose what drug each Irish citizen does or does not take into their body.

I urge everyone to put pressure on their TDs, councillors and anyone else in a position of power to join the fight for Ireland’s health freedom.

Mary Ann O’Brien is an Independent Senator



Oct 9
Water fluoridation, it’s a legal argument

Huntsville Forester

HUNTSVILLE – Councillors of Gravenhurst, Bracebridge, Muskoka Lakes (Bala, Port Carling), Georgian Bay (MacTier), Huntsville and Lake of Bays (Baysville) were granted, by district Council, the authority to decide whether or not to continue artificial water fluoridation (AWF), albeit district’s decision to stop AWF in all Muskoka towns, February 2014.  

Only two towns, Huntsville and Lake of Bays (Baysville), made the wise decision to stop adding this industrial grade, cumulative toxin to the water supply. This contentious issue has brewed for several years at the district level, as this has solely been a district issue.

Councillors in the other four towns blindly decided among themselves to continue adding this unsafe, ineffective drug to the drinking water disregarding a public referendum or plebiscite. Many neighbouring towns, such as Barrie and Orillia, have rejected the addition of AWF in their drinking water supply. And other towns such as Waterloo and Windsor have ended AWF.

In June, 2014, the renowned law firm, Ruby Shiller Chan Hasan, is representing concerned residents to end fluoridation. This firm has provided legal arguments against AWF backed by an affidavit from Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, a biomedical scientist, who has served on two U.S. National Research Council subcommittees dealing with fluoride exposure and toxicology. This 75-page report was thoroughly and meticulously prepared for the region of Peel (pop. 1.3 million) but pertains to any town that continues AWF.

The highlights in this legal report state that there is a “Lack of evidence of fluoridation’s benefits” and that it makes no sense to expose every tissue in the body to fluoride through ingestion in drinking water. The available scientific data point

In full from:





Further episodes  of stories published in earler weeks.


Reasonable statement of the for and against arguments

Lou Tryon is the driving force behind Salina Cares, and her group has compiled a long list of reasons they say justify ending fluoridation: Broadly, they say fluoride isn’t effective at fighting cavities, and has long-term effects on people’s health, including fluorosis, lower IQs, hip fractures among the elderly and others. More specifically, Tryon questions why Salina is buying its fluoride from China and worries about its purity. – See more at: http://www.salina.com/news/fluoridation-Main-story-for-Sunday–Oct–5–20142014-10-05T05-51-44#sthash.6BghZRQW.dpuf



Reporting the news, is another pro-fluoride editorial with rants from S.Slott among the comments.

 On Nov. 4, Healdsburg residents are being asked to pull the plug on that same program, all on the basis of fuzzy science, fanaticism and fear. We encourage residents to vote yes on Measure P, which calls for preserving the city’s fluoridation program.



Broadly pro-fluoride article,in High Country Nerws  that points out

…ever since 1950, when fluoridation comes on the ballot, it loses nearly 60 percent of the time.

It  quotes from the anti-fluoridation’s chief campaigner, whom it describes as

Clean Water Portland’s Kim Kaminski. She is pleasant and soft-spoken but with a steely edge… she has a law degree.



Oct 8

 Short letter followed by  over 10,00 words of comments, many iof them from Mr Slott.